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do you want the government to do nothing about spending? are you happy with obama care? most would say no. but in the end the choice was between a president who said things aren't great, but i'm going to still try to make them better, and a guy who he painted as not having a plan and not identifying with the average wants and needs of most middle class americans and in the end people decided to stick with the devil they knew rather than the one they didn't. >> so the republican defeat was big, but it wasn't overwhelming in the sense of a repute yags, in your view, of the republican platform or their agenda. >> no, and i think the reason -- look. this country did have the opportunity to once again hand controlled government to democrats. everyone in the house was up for re-election, and yet they continued to givene republicans the majority. they like divided government, and they have to look at the states who elected the very conservative governors who are doing the exact opposite of what barack obama is doing at the federal level. jay dan, there are real implications, co
do you want the government to do nothing about spending? are you happy with obama care? most would say no. but in the end the choice was between a president who said things aren't great, but i'm going to still try to make them better, and a guy who he painted as not having a plan and not identifying with the average wants and needs of most middle class americans and in the end people decided to stick with the devil they knew rather than the one they didn't. >> so the republican defeat was...
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adam: we will. >> 5:45 president obama deliver as statement here at the white house. as far as spending cuts are concerned, you see this argument, you typically hear republicans say, government spending doesn't create jobs. however when it comes to a number of defense cuts when it hits in their districts a number of them, if it hits companies in their districts well you have to stop defense cuts using an economic argument. when you talk about the $94 billion, well, yes there are economic effects that will be felt, the $94 billion in cuts down as sequester, you have to put that in perspective the sandy supplemental bill started out $60 billion. one storm could wipe out all the savings or. adam: that sandy supplemental bill is 60 billion, 45 billion according to taxpayers for common sense is stimulus spending that doesn't involve the hurricane. dan, i will come back to you after we listen to sound bite from harry reid, senate majority leader commenting on the negotiations today. here is what he said. >> okay. we had a long meeting in the white house. it was very constru
adam: we will. >> 5:45 president obama deliver as statement here at the white house. as far as spending cuts are concerned, you see this argument, you typically hear republicans say, government spending doesn't create jobs. however when it comes to a number of defense cuts when it hits in their districts a number of them, if it hits companies in their districts well you have to stop defense cuts using an economic argument. when you talk about the $94 billion, well, yes there are economic...
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president obama and members of congress are set to return for one day more of talks to avert spending cuts at the same time tax cuts expire. one alternative being floated - congress may let income taxes go up on everyone one tick past the stroke of midnight, then quickly vote to decrease tax rates for most americans back to 2012 levels. meanwhile, starbucks ceo howard schultz wants his employees to send a message and scrall, "come together," on cups for drink orders in the d.c. area. it's the first time employees have been asked to write anything other than customers' names on cups. former members of a regulatory agency are walking the well worn path from washington to wall street. since june, 9 members of the commodity futures trading commission have taken jobs at financial firms including jpmorgan chase and japanese investment bank nomura, according to the wall street journal. members of the cftc have been making the transition to help firms intepret changes under the dodd- frank reforms passed in 2010. critics of this revolving door contend ex-staffers can use personal connections
president obama and members of congress are set to return for one day more of talks to avert spending cuts at the same time tax cuts expire. one alternative being floated - congress may let income taxes go up on everyone one tick past the stroke of midnight, then quickly vote to decrease tax rates for most americans back to 2012 levels. meanwhile, starbucks ceo howard schultz wants his employees to send a message and scrall, "come together," on cups for drink orders in the d.c. area....
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president obama can't raise enough money through his tax plans to cover all the spending. that means he could resume other ways for the revenue to come in. will a carbon tax be among them? joining us now from the american action forum, sam, we know the president wants this thing. he tried desperately, even with democrats holding both houses of congress, however, he couldn't get it. will he try to pursue it in his first year of the second term? >> well, there's certainly a lot of revenue out there. a lot of projections are, if carbon is at $20 per ton of carbon, it could generate roughly a trillion dollars over the next ten years, of course, that figure of $20 would increase, but i think it's pretty tough for republicans to swallow another trillion dollars in revenue from a carbon tax, so i don't think it's very likely to get 60 votes in the senate or for speaker boehner from ohio which is a big coal producing area, which would be hit the hardest by a carbon tax, i don't think it's likely he would bring that up for a vote. david: here is another scenario though. the preside
president obama can't raise enough money through his tax plans to cover all the spending. that means he could resume other ways for the revenue to come in. will a carbon tax be among them? joining us now from the american action forum, sam, we know the president wants this thing. he tried desperately, even with democrats holding both houses of congress, however, he couldn't get it. will he try to pursue it in his first year of the second term? >> well, there's certainly a lot of revenue...
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tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and here we go again, more snow headed to the the northeast, where a major winter storm already dumped several inches on inland areas. snarling roads, canceling hundreds of holiday flights. two powerful systems expect today come up the east coast by today, from south carolina to new york already issues severe weather warnings. i'm heather childers, now back to bulls and bears and for your latest weather headlines, log on to foxnews.com. you're watching the most powerful name in news. >> canceled, that's what thousands of ticked off holiday travelers are seeing on airport monitors this week. and while the nasty weather is to be blamed, toby says we should blame government regulations. >> here is a fact when it's a $27,000 fine if you're on the tarmac for more than three he hours in a minute which i was about two and a half years ago before they did this, what happens is, they get fined $27 grand per passenger and now they're doing, what they call in the industry the economic kill and l
tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and here we go again, more snow headed to the the northeast, where a major winter storm already dumped several inches on inland areas. snarling roads, canceling hundreds of holiday flights. two powerful systems expect today come up the east coast by today, from south carolina to new york already issues severe weather warnings. i'm heather childers, now back to bulls and bears and for your latest weather headlines, log on to foxnews.com. you're watching the most...
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president obama spending the christmas holidays in hawaii, but it's not all fun in the sun. still looming as i've just talked about is this large fiscal cliff as the deadline gets closer, and now there are reports surfacing that the president is looking to strike a partial deal that would extend tax cuts for the middle class while holding off on spending cuts. chief white house correspondent ed henry has the luxury of reporting live in honolulu, hawaii. ed it seems for the first time we might really go off the fiscal cliff which is something that you or so many of us in washington never believed would happen. >> reporter: you're right, kelly. i mean for the longest time there was an expectation in both parties there would be a lot of fighting but right up against the christmas holiday they would finally somehow work this out. that is traditionally what happens on capitol hill. this time as you say leaders in both parties now bracing for the real possibility that we will go off that fiscal cliff, and that tax increases will go across the board for everybody, basically, go bac
president obama spending the christmas holidays in hawaii, but it's not all fun in the sun. still looming as i've just talked about is this large fiscal cliff as the deadline gets closer, and now there are reports surfacing that the president is looking to strike a partial deal that would extend tax cuts for the middle class while holding off on spending cuts. chief white house correspondent ed henry has the luxury of reporting live in honolulu, hawaii. ed it seems for the first time we might...
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on the table was $1.4 trillion in higher taxes over ten years, and $800 billion in lower spending. that's taking a lot of liquidity out of the economy. >> okay, barry, last question here. fill in the blanks for me. if we hold x, then this correction will not happen. >> if we hold, i mean, key support level certain little on the s&p 500. look for 1400, would be a key support level to hold there. we'd want to bounce back up. but what you really would be looking for, i showed on the charts, key resistance levels. what you really want to see, we have not been able to break above those resistance levels. you need to break above those resistance levels very convincingly if you're going to convince me there's going to be a rally in 2013. >> barry, thank you, joining us tonight from miami. >> thank you. >> you look what barry has to say? >> i think you should get a correction here. >> do you like the notion of the presidential cycles? >> i look more, you know, so, you're dealing right now, there are so many headlines out there and you are trying to decipher what's important, if you are foc
on the table was $1.4 trillion in higher taxes over ten years, and $800 billion in lower spending. that's taking a lot of liquidity out of the economy. >> okay, barry, last question here. fill in the blanks for me. if we hold x, then this correction will not happen. >> if we hold, i mean, key support level certain little on the s&p 500. look for 1400, would be a key support level to hold there. we'd want to bounce back up. but what you really would be looking for, i showed on...
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president obama spending the last few hours in hawaii relaxing before he heads back to washington to hope to get a deal and avoid the fiscal cliff. we look at what happens if the deal does not happen. spoiler alert, it will cause you money. grapevine, david gregory could be in trouble for a segment on his sunday show. we show you what happened. "special report" starts at 6:00 p.m. eastern standard time. now back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: is it a horrible offense to be too good look? apparently so in iowa. they ruled a dentist james night had a right to fire his dental assistant melissa nelson for being too irresistible. and a perceived threat to his marriage. nelson worked in the office for ten years said she viewed knight as father figure and was fired after his wife complained about his infatuation with her. >> after working for so many years side-by-side, i didn't have any idea that that would have crossed his mind. i think it sends a message that men can do whatever they want in the workforce. >> kimberly: not nice. but apparently the iowa supreme court
president obama spending the last few hours in hawaii relaxing before he heads back to washington to hope to get a deal and avoid the fiscal cliff. we look at what happens if the deal does not happen. spoiler alert, it will cause you money. grapevine, david gregory could be in trouble for a segment on his sunday show. we show you what happened. "special report" starts at 6:00 p.m. eastern standard time. now back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: is...
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the senate approved a spending bill worth $60 billion. the measure heads to the house where some republican lawmakers are hesitating to approve the bill in the final days of the current session. >>> and in maine, the first same-sex couples are legally exchanging vows today. the new law legalizing same-sex marriage went into effect at midnight, 12:01 a.m. today. some ceremonies were held overnight. same-sex marriage became legal in maryland on tuesday. become legal on tuesday. >>> and finally, talk about living on the edge. in massachusetts, several homes on plum island are in danger of plunging into the atlantic ocean. thursday's storms and pounding waves are threatening their foundations. two houses are said to be so unstable the homeowners can't even get inside to retrieve their belongings. >>> now, time to ginger and the weather. >> i want to start with pittsburgh, getting almost five inches of snow after christmas. and getting more snow this morning. and they're about 27 or so getting up early this morning. some more cold air behind i
the senate approved a spending bill worth $60 billion. the measure heads to the house where some republican lawmakers are hesitating to approve the bill in the final days of the current session. >>> and in maine, the first same-sex couples are legally exchanging vows today. the new law legalizing same-sex marriage went into effect at midnight, 12:01 a.m. today. some ceremonies were held overnight. same-sex marriage became legal in maryland on tuesday. become legal on tuesday....
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if you look two years ago at the ratio obama was proposing spending cuts versus revenue. it was four to one. now it's one to one. >> you have that $1 trillion already passed. >> you do. but i think the credit the tea party gets for shifting that debate wag overblown. >> but it was deficit reduction versus short-term spending at the start of 2010. and it immediately moved to deficit reduction and how to do it. and that was a very fundamental, important shift in the conversation. >> we have to go, but -- we have to go, but i heard that after the show, sam stein will be on twiner. you can be there, too. >> we can get together. >> we have another important item, though, which is the biggest hurdle arguably to president obama's second term agenda. that's something you're probably never going to hear about, literally. people think of the filibuster as a talk athon to stop action in the senate. but nowadays it has been attacked with a constant extreme of silent filibusters. up next, the talking filibuster ahead live. >>> time for the your business preer oes weeks. amber and mark
if you look two years ago at the ratio obama was proposing spending cuts versus revenue. it was four to one. now it's one to one. >> you have that $1 trillion already passed. >> you do. but i think the credit the tea party gets for shifting that debate wag overblown. >> but it was deficit reduction versus short-term spending at the start of 2010. and it immediately moved to deficit reduction and how to do it. and that was a very fundamental, important shift in the...
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president obama spending holidays in beautiful hawaii where reports now surfaced where he is looking to strike a smaller fiscal deal that would extend tax cuts for the middle class but not tackling any spending cuts. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live in honolulu with more. ed, for the first time, people like joe lieberman are saying i really think we'll go over the cliff. what do you hear? >> reporter: it's a real possibility, you're right. we're a week out. people on both sides have been talking this thing to death. it might need a christmas miracle at this point to avoid going off the cliff. the president scaled back plan basically would extend unemmoment benefits for two million people who will lose them a week after christmas if there is no deal. he also wants to extend tax cuts for 98% of americans. you heard him talk about that again and again. that level of $250,000 or less. the republicans have not afreed to that on the hill obviously. when you talk to folks like senator lindsey graham, they say the big issue is not taxes, it is spending cuts. take a listen. >>
president obama spending holidays in beautiful hawaii where reports now surfaced where he is looking to strike a smaller fiscal deal that would extend tax cuts for the middle class but not tackling any spending cuts. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live in honolulu with more. ed, for the first time, people like joe lieberman are saying i really think we'll go over the cliff. what do you hear? >> reporter: it's a real possibility, you're right. we're a week out. people on both...
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obama's spending being higher than the bush years. that is not true. the deficit which increases our debt grew so much under obama because he put both wars into the budget. george bush kept him out of the budget -- them out of the budget. was not paying for them, so things looked good. in the first few years of the obama administration, he created more jobs than george bush did in eight years. was theush's, at surpluses are for spending. -- comment was the surpluses are for spending. the put us in massive debt, left it on obama. -- he put us in massive debt, left it on obama. these people sit here and watch these idiots on tv say these things are not true. and then they go and push based on what they're hearing instead of looking into the fact of the matter. host: mr. forbes? guest: i did make mention that spending did increased dramatically under george bush. no matter how you account for the wars, domestic spending under president obama increased very substantially to the point that it is the highest it has been without a world war. theses why we're
obama's spending being higher than the bush years. that is not true. the deficit which increases our debt grew so much under obama because he put both wars into the budget. george bush kept him out of the budget -- them out of the budget. was not paying for them, so things looked good. in the first few years of the obama administration, he created more jobs than george bush did in eight years. was theush's, at surpluses are for spending. -- comment was the surpluses are for spending. the put us...
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president obama released a statement shortly after the senate vote. it reads in part "tonight's agreement ensures that going forward we will continue to reduce the deficit through a combination of new spending cuts and new revenues from the wealthiest americans. i will continue to fight every day on behalf of the middle class and those fighting to get into the middle class to forge an economy that grows from the middle out, not from the top down." >>> that vote may not come right
president obama released a statement shortly after the senate vote. it reads in part "tonight's agreement ensures that going forward we will continue to reduce the deficit through a combination of new spending cuts and new revenues from the wealthiest americans. i will continue to fight every day on behalf of the middle class and those fighting to get into the middle class to forge an economy that grows from the middle out, not from the top down." >>> that vote may not come...
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the same goes for president obama who will spend christmas in hawaii. that leaves them five days to get a deal done to avoid steep tax hikes and big-time spending cuts. senators on both sides of the aisle say both parties need to compromise to avoid a potential economic disaster. >> my one bit of advice to speaker boehner is this. you cannot pass a bill with just republicans on a broad thing like this, you need both. >> ronald reagan model is if you get 80% of what you want that's a good day. we have the same objective of lower taxes. i like simpson-bowles. put money on the debt. tax rate hikes are partisan solution driven by the president but he's going to get tax rate hikes. >> lawmakers say they are preparing to spend new year's eve on capitol hill. >> one of the survivors in the oregon mall shooting is speaking out for the first time. the 15 year old was shot december 11th. she was walking through the mall and says the gunman walked right past her carrying what she thought was a paintball gun. seconds later bullets started flying and she was hit mul
the same goes for president obama who will spend christmas in hawaii. that leaves them five days to get a deal done to avoid steep tax hikes and big-time spending cuts. senators on both sides of the aisle say both parties need to compromise to avoid a potential economic disaster. >> my one bit of advice to speaker boehner is this. you cannot pass a bill with just republicans on a broad thing like this, you need both. >> ronald reagan model is if you get 80% of what you want that's a...
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. >>> looking beyond the senate deal, president obama is warning republicans that if they want future spending cuts, they're going to have to provide more tax revenue as well. >> if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone -- and you hear that sometimes coming from them, that sort of after today we're just going to try to shove only spending cuts down -- well, shove spending cuts at us. if they think that's going to be the formula for how we solve this thing, then they've got another think coming. >> that midday news conference didn't go over well with a lot of republicans, and they said that the president's sometimes mocking tone, as they felt it was, could hurt the fiscal cliff deal in the house. >> as i sort out my impressions of the president's remarks as to whether to be angry or to saddened. we have the president of the united states go over and have a cheerleading ridiculing of republicans exercise. >> let's bring in democratic strategist and former edwards communications director chris ka fiance and republican strategist and
. >>> looking beyond the senate deal, president obama is warning republicans that if they want future spending cuts, they're going to have to provide more tax revenue as well. >> if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone -- and you hear that sometimes coming from them, that sort of after today we're just going to try to shove only spending cuts down -- well, shove spending cuts at us. if they think that's going to be the...
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president obama was on "meet the press" today andy said the pressure is on congress. on friday, he was optimistic after meeting with congressional leaders, but if they cannot come up to an agreement he wants the senate to put in a bill. live coverage bomb the -- of the senate on c-span 2. returning at 2:00 p.m. eastern in the house with boats as early as 6:30 p.m. -- votes as early as 6:30. you can watch a live house coverage iran c-span. more on the fiscal cliff from this morning's "washington journal." host: our topic is the fiscal cliff. of we have done for last several sundays, we welcome the policy director for the concord coalition and a columnist for roll call newspaper. thank you for coming back. stan, as we stand on the edge of the fiscal cliff, is there any chance we do not go over? guest: we are relying on a senate that has been dysfunctional and avoided a filibuster when it will be really easy for one or more senators who do not like tax increases to just filibuster round and we are relying on a house that could not take the lead. it's important to state t
president obama was on "meet the press" today andy said the pressure is on congress. on friday, he was optimistic after meeting with congressional leaders, but if they cannot come up to an agreement he wants the senate to put in a bill. live coverage bomb the -- of the senate on c-span 2. returning at 2:00 p.m. eastern in the house with boats as early as 6:30 p.m. -- votes as early as 6:30. you can watch a live house coverage iran c-span. more on the fiscal cliff from this morning's...
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to deal with the tax increases and spending cuts that are due to take effect next week. no official fiscal cliff negotiations between republicans and democrats have been scheduled. not a great deal of progress. >>> with the government right on the edge now of that fiscal cliff, taxpayers are facing a lot of uncertainty as we head into the new year and for many of us the usual year-end financial strategies simply may not apply this year. 7 on your side's michael finney sorts out some of the confusion. >> reporter: when it comes to year end finances the old rules may not add up this year. >> it is difficult to do any type of tax planning and advising because nobody really knows exactly what is going to happen. >> much of the uncertainty centers around whether the united states is about to fall off that a fiscal cliff. if that happens, that would mean the end of the temporary payroll tax cuts. even if that doesn't happen, most believe taxes will go up next year. >> one of the things that is being floated right now is people are advising people to get out of dividend paying
to deal with the tax increases and spending cuts that are due to take effect next week. no official fiscal cliff negotiations between republicans and democrats have been scheduled. not a great deal of progress. >>> with the government right on the edge now of that fiscal cliff, taxpayers are facing a lot of uncertainty as we head into the new year and for many of us the usual year-end financial strategies simply may not apply this year. 7 on your side's michael finney sorts out some of...
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president obama and congressional leaders will meet this afternoon at the white house in a last-ditch effort to avoid a self-inflicted fiscal calamity. this is the first meeting between the power plays in six weeks. if they can't work out some kind of agreement automatic tax hikes and spending cuts will go into affected new year's day, which will impact most americans and will put the nation back into recession. >> we are coming up against a hard deadline. >> at today's meeting, president obama will push for a stop gap measure, a small deal that will at least prevent tax increases for those earning $250,000 or less. but even that seems unlikely. >> the american people have a right to be very upset with this congress. >> publicly, both sides have ratcheted up rhetoric, pointing the finger. >> john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> the only reason why democrats have been trying to defect -- deflect attention over the past few weeks is they did not have a plan of their own. >> the path for the rest in the hands
president obama and congressional leaders will meet this afternoon at the white house in a last-ditch effort to avoid a self-inflicted fiscal calamity. this is the first meeting between the power plays in six weeks. if they can't work out some kind of agreement automatic tax hikes and spending cuts will go into affected new year's day, which will impact most americans and will put the nation back into recession. >> we are coming up against a hard deadline. >> at today's meeting,...
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the big cliff still lies in front of us. >> reporter: president obama had scolded congress for waiting so long. >> one thing we can count on with respect to this congress is that if there's even one second left before you have to do what you're supposed to do, they will use that last second. >> reporter: the bush-era tax cuts remain in place for individuals earning as much as $400,000 a year, far above the 250,000 level on which president obama campaigned. but those making more will see higher income taxes, capital gains, plus a new health care reform surtax. rob wood says you'll notice in your paycheck one popular tax cut will be history. >> the average person, say, earning $50,000 a year is going to pay about $1,000 more in payroll taxes in 2013. >> reporter: the fiscal cliff agreement also increases taxes on estates worth more than $5 million and extends unemployment benefits for one year and keeps the child tax credit for workers who don't earn enough to pay income taxes. the alternative minimum tax got a pat for inin addition. that shields 33 million taxpayers. even with the budge
the big cliff still lies in front of us. >> reporter: president obama had scolded congress for waiting so long. >> one thing we can count on with respect to this congress is that if there's even one second left before you have to do what you're supposed to do, they will use that last second. >> reporter: the bush-era tax cuts remain in place for individuals earning as much as $400,000 a year, far above the 250,000 level on which president obama campaigned. but those making...
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president obama said he would have preferred a grand bargain that solved all of washington's revenue and spending problems. >> with this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. [ laughter ] >> it may be we can do it in stages. >> reporter: negotiations have been going on all day. lawmakers and aides moving back and forth between meeting rooms here on capitol hill on what is normally a quiet new year's eve. the major sticking upon the now is spending. the president suggested lawmakers make action on deficit reduction in the next few months and that more tax revenue could be involved in those discussions. but republicans are furious at that possibility. >> i'm willing to support revenues to deal with this problem. the overall problem. but what i will not grow to is using revenues to replace spending reductions. >> reporter: even if the senate approves the deal by midnight the house still has to pass the measure before the president can sign it into law. the house left earlier this evening, but it doesn't matter in terms of the "fiscal cliff" agreement b
president obama said he would have preferred a grand bargain that solved all of washington's revenue and spending problems. >> with this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. [ laughter ] >> it may be we can do it in stages. >> reporter: negotiations have been going on all day. lawmakers and aides moving back and forth between meeting rooms here on capitol hill on what is normally a quiet new year's eve. the major sticking upon the now is...
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that's the same day president obama will return. he's spending christmas in hawaii with his family. that leaves them just five days to get a deal done to avoid steep tax hikes and big-time spending cuts. senators on both sides of the aisle say both parties need to compromise to avoid a potential economic disaster. >>> last-minute shoppers may not have been as merry this year as retailers had hoped. good morning. >> good morning to you. shoppers filled the malls and stores on the final weekend before christmas but many people may have not been filled with holiday spirit this year. research group npd says customer traffic was in line with last year but consumers are spending less. a combination of factors may be weighing on their minds including the tax impact of the fiscal cliff, aftereffects of sandy and shootings in connecticut. 'tis the season for giving but many charities aren't on the receiving end. the single biggest source of revenue for most charities are down as you are big gifts from endowments. the u.s. million dollar list which tracks large donations has found that big gi
that's the same day president obama will return. he's spending christmas in hawaii with his family. that leaves them just five days to get a deal done to avoid steep tax hikes and big-time spending cuts. senators on both sides of the aisle say both parties need to compromise to avoid a potential economic disaster. >>> last-minute shoppers may not have been as merry this year as retailers had hoped. good morning. >> good morning to you. shoppers filled the malls and stores on the...
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the obama plan, to the speakersi boehner plan, it will either o alter the rising rate of spending were less than the science of our bloated government. the answer in tonight "chalk talk" is coming up so, this board gives me rates for progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run through it again? no, i'm good. you got it? yes. rates for us and them -- now that's progressive. call or click today. lou: you know, everybody's getting pretty excited about that fiscal cliff negotiation or impasse, however you want to3 style it. mayi want t showu, lou: everybody is getting re ofed about the fiscal clifft, negotiation. i thought i would show you what thuld happen if we change into the speaker boehner plan, the president obama plan, let's start out with the do-nothing plan because that's the plan we0 have right now. the cbo estimates fiscal year 2013 deficit will be, well,lionf $104 trillion f
the obama plan, to the speakersi boehner plan, it will either o alter the rising rate of spending were less than the science of our bloated government. the answer in tonight "chalk talk" is coming up so, this board gives me rates for progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run...
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. >>> president obama says he offered up to $1 trillion in spending cuts to get a fiscal cliff deal done. but now republicans are asking from where? we're going to talk to republican senator bob corker next on "morning joe." i've always had to keep my eye on her... but, i didn't always watch out for myself. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters... my individual health profile. not random statistics. they even reward me for addressing my health risks. so i'm doing fine... but she's still going to give me a heart attack. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. ♪ >>> live look at the white house as the sun comes up over washington. it is 15 minutes past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." we're here today because there's no deal and we are hours away from the fiscal cliff. here with us now, republican senator from tennessee and member of the senate banking committee, senator bob corker. senator, thanks for being on the show. we
. >>> president obama says he offered up to $1 trillion in spending cuts to get a fiscal cliff deal done. but now republicans are asking from where? we're going to talk to republican senator bob corker next on "morning joe." i've always had to keep my eye on her... but, i didn't always watch out for myself. with so much noise about health care... i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters... my individual health profile. not random statistics....
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here now is blake zeff, former obama campaign aide and washington editor. robert, have you heard anything in the last couple of hours that suggests to you that somehow by monday mitch mcconnell and harry reid will sing kumbaya, pass something in the senate that also passes the house? >> i'm not so sure they'll be sing kumbaya, but the real story today is that there's movement on capitol hill. reid and mcconnell come out of that white house meeting and they're ready to haggle over some differences. what i expect to come to the floor is what president obama's talking about a 250 threshold for rates, maybe an amt attached to it and maybe have unemployment attached to it, but that's it. that's what the president wants at the end of the day. the question for mccon cell this, can he raise that threshold now at the 11th hour from president obama's $250,000 perhaps to $300,000 or $400,000. >> and just concede on spending cuts. >> at this point the republicans are like a prizefighter on the ropes and they're not in a great negotiating position and the caucus walked
here now is blake zeff, former obama campaign aide and washington editor. robert, have you heard anything in the last couple of hours that suggests to you that somehow by monday mitch mcconnell and harry reid will sing kumbaya, pass something in the senate that also passes the house? >> i'm not so sure they'll be sing kumbaya, but the real story today is that there's movement on capitol hill. reid and mcconnell come out of that white house meeting and they're ready to haggle over some...
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obama's spending being higher than the bush years. that is not true. the deficit which increases our debt grew so much under obama because he put both wars into the budget. george bush kept them out of the budget, was not paying for them, so things looked good. in the first few years of the obama administration, he created more jobs than george bush did in eight years. george bush's comment was the surpluses are for spending. he put us in massive debt, left it on obama. these people sit here and watch these idiots on tv say these things are not true. and then they go and push based on what they're hearing instead of looking into the fact of the matter. host: mr. forbes? guest: i did make mention that spending did increase dramatically under george bush. no matter how you account for the wars, domestic spending under president obama increased very substantially to the point that it is the highest it has been without a world war. that is why we're getting these massive deficits today. we have never had anything like this without a major war. you can righ
obama's spending being higher than the bush years. that is not true. the deficit which increases our debt grew so much under obama because he put both wars into the budget. george bush kept them out of the budget, was not paying for them, so things looked good. in the first few years of the obama administration, he created more jobs than george bush did in eight years. george bush's comment was the surpluses are for spending. he put us in massive debt, left it on obama. these people sit here...
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what obama has been able to do is shift the argument from cutting and spending to now spending and borrowing. cutting is even part of it. >> we have to leave it there. coming up, it's the day after christmas. you know what that means? all the bad kids going bad. [laughter] >> let's tell you what the finalist got from santa. and this woman said she was fired from her job for being too sexy, her boss couldn't handle it. that's ahead on "the five." ♪ with the spark miles card from capital one, thor gets great rewards for his small business! your boa! [ garth ] thor's small business earns double miles on every purchase, every day! ahh, the new fabrics. put it on my spark card. ow. [ garth ] why settle for less? the spiked heels are working. wait! [ garth ] great businesses deserve great rewards. [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with double miles or 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! what's in your wallet? [ cheers and applause ] >> welcome back. it's been a rough couple months for republicans. they first lost the election -- i guess
what obama has been able to do is shift the argument from cutting and spending to now spending and borrowing. cutting is even part of it. >> we have to leave it there. coming up, it's the day after christmas. you know what that means? all the bad kids going bad. [laughter] >> let's tell you what the finalist got from santa. and this woman said she was fired from her job for being too sexy, her boss couldn't handle it. that's ahead on "the five." ♪ with the spark miles...
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what obama is able to do is shift the argument from cutting and spending to now spending and borrowing. cutting is part of it. >> eric: leave it there. coming up, the day after christmas. you know what that means? all the bad gifts are going back. tell you what the five of us got from san. the plus, this woman says she was fired from her job for from being too sexy. her boss couldn't handle it. her story ahead on "the five." ♪ ♪ >> andrea: welcome back. rough couple of months for republicans. they first lost the presidential election. i guess you can keep the music going. why not? losing ground for negotiation on deal for fiscal cliff so no surprise they are using hope for the future. "washington post"/abc news poll says 72% of the g.o.p. is fearful about what lies ahead in 2013. all right, so let's take a look at the 72% of republicans say they are very fearful, which is up by double digits than what they were i guess under president bush. so greg, are republicans more grounded in reason, they see the future as nail biter? >> greg: conservatives are vampire killers. liberals hate
what obama is able to do is shift the argument from cutting and spending to now spending and borrowing. cutting is part of it. >> eric: leave it there. coming up, the day after christmas. you know what that means? all the bad gifts are going back. tell you what the five of us got from san. the plus, this woman says she was fired from her job for from being too sexy. her boss couldn't handle it. her story ahead on "the five." ♪ ♪ >> andrea: welcome back. rough couple of...
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can they resolve the disagreement offer spending cuts? democrats are resisting. they want a longer perhaps one-year delay and president obama was trying to rally those disappointed democrats with remarks that he just made by citing gains that he had won in terms of energy and education tax breaks he supported in the past and vowing to seek more revenue later on when we get to the discussion of entitlement cuts or what republicans believe is safer ground. saw some tweets saying he is trying to gum up the works. but there is the way the to and fro negotiation of president obama making sure his own troops are in line if he makes a deal. >> absolutely. talking to and fro, when president obama was speaking and saying a fiscal cliff deal was in sight, we saw the dow spike back above the 13,000 market pch pairing those gains a little bit as we speak. still below the 13k mark right now. we will watch this as we continue to get headlines. let's talk to aimian who is also falling a minute by minute changes. what is the latest in your camp? >> the deal john just outlined wo
can they resolve the disagreement offer spending cuts? democrats are resisting. they want a longer perhaps one-year delay and president obama was trying to rally those disappointed democrats with remarks that he just made by citing gains that he had won in terms of energy and education tax breaks he supported in the past and vowing to seek more revenue later on when we get to the discussion of entitlement cuts or what republicans believe is safer ground. saw some tweets saying he is trying to...
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from obama care, and the regulatory costs being imposed by epa and others. they may shut down fracking in this country which is one of the few positive things that's been happening over the past few years. >> if it does appear we're going to get increases, that you've long opposed, do you at least think you're going to get 72 hours? the other thing you've been arguing for? >> well, that i think is very important. if we can all look at this, the present house rules say 72 hours for the american people. the president of the united states said he wouldn't sign anything up for days as well. but he's broken that promise a bunch of times. i had argued it should be there for weeks so that you and all the folks in the media and the press and the american people could actually read the small print of any deal. the one biggest fear i have is that they're going to sell it as one thing, and when you look at it in the cold light of day, it's going to be even worse. that's what happened in '90 with the bush deal, that's what happened in '82 when they cheated reagan. it is
from obama care, and the regulatory costs being imposed by epa and others. they may shut down fracking in this country which is one of the few positive things that's been happening over the past few years. >> if it does appear we're going to get increases, that you've long opposed, do you at least think you're going to get 72 hours? the other thing you've been arguing for? >> well, that i think is very important. if we can all look at this, the present house rules say 72 hours for...
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obama and congressional leaders will meet house today to avoid tax hikes and spending cuts. this comes after serious on capitolckering hill. we will have an in depth live report coming up. >> we are going to start with a look at what remains on 355 at cedar lane. one right lane getting by. it is very very slow. the beltway. we will take a look at the map. we had a report of an accident george washington parkway. the right lane is blocked. not very much back up. >> partly sunny skies and 37 degrees. breeze bringing our chill factor down to the low 30s. kind of a chilly start. we will warm up to the upper low 40's this afternoon. winter weather advisory in the north and west of the metro. that is the latest on the forecast. back to you. >> thank you for joining us. have another update for at 8:27. have a great morning. [ cheers and applause ] >>> oh, boy. great friday crowd with us. and albeit a chilly times square. they're getting the spirit award out there. george, robin, lara, lucky enough to be at their home with their families. wonderful have to amy robach, paula faris, r
obama and congressional leaders will meet house today to avoid tax hikes and spending cuts. this comes after serious on capitolckering hill. we will have an in depth live report coming up. >> we are going to start with a look at what remains on 355 at cedar lane. one right lane getting by. it is very very slow. the beltway. we will take a look at the map. we had a report of an accident george washington parkway. the right lane is blocked. not very much back up. >> partly sunny skies...
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heather: coming up president obama facing another key test as he approaches the start of his second term. the ongoing battle now turning to america's ports, as a strike deadline fast approaches. doug mcelway live from washington. doug, the complaints of longshoreman whose strike was temporarily averted last week is kind of a symbol of what is threatening unions all across the nation, right? >> it really is heather, the longshoreman have been threatened by automation. it takes one longshoreman to do a job in the early 1960s it took three men to do. as automation has increased the longshoreman's union demanded their job security be plea served. the shipping industry worked out a deal where longshoreman would be paid a fee based on the weight of every container this a ship carries. but the industry finds it prohibitive lee expensive. >> antiquated work rules we've seen in it automotive industry, in the steel industry where efficient will see and new productive machines can come into play and people get displaced by that. it's been a difficult thing but it's one of the things that in order t
heather: coming up president obama facing another key test as he approaches the start of his second term. the ongoing battle now turning to america's ports, as a strike deadline fast approaches. doug mcelway live from washington. doug, the complaints of longshoreman whose strike was temporarily averted last week is kind of a symbol of what is threatening unions all across the nation, right? >> it really is heather, the longshoreman have been threatened by automation. it takes one...
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well we need to reduce spending, we can do it in a much smarter, more targeted way. going over the so-called fiscal cliff will lead to devastating job losses, at a time when american families and small business owners are still struggling to get back on their feet. in contrast, the nonpartisan congressional budget office estimates extending tax rates afro-americans would create nearly 1.8 million jobs and increase the nation -- rates for americans would create nearly 1.8 million jobs. congress's action to make the first tax bracket and% instead of 50% -- the child tax credit -- 10% instead of a 15% raised the child tax credit. there is still time to act. both president obama and senator harry reid claim that an achievable plan is one that can pass both houses of congress. republicans agree. the republican controlled house has taken a step in the right direction. the house has already passed bills to protect all americans from burdensome tax increases. in addition, the pass legislation to replace a damaging, across-the-board spending cuts with responsible, targeted on
well we need to reduce spending, we can do it in a much smarter, more targeted way. going over the so-called fiscal cliff will lead to devastating job losses, at a time when american families and small business owners are still struggling to get back on their feet. in contrast, the nonpartisan congressional budget office estimates extending tax rates afro-americans would create nearly 1.8 million jobs and increase the nation -- rates for americans would create nearly 1.8 million jobs....
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united stat states -- spending cuts we are enacted by the house they voted for. >> the obama deficit. >> you cannot point to democrats and say you're not supporting spending cuts, rite in the president's offer. what you don't understand, i think, is that boehner won't bring this stuff to a vote because he knows the majority of house members, democrats and republicans combined actually want to support a deal as those 200 plus ceos want. what he's doing is political self-preservation, he thinks, because if he doesn't get a majority of his majority under the old gingrich practice, he thinks he will lose his speakership. the country should come first and boehner should bring it to a vote and if he doesn't, he should not be speaker of the house. >> where is the hunt over the next few days for compromise. if you think it's doable, maybe david won't be happy with it but happy enough. >> probably exactly what we've always been talking about, taxes for $250,000 and above and serious spending cuts and any promise on either the debt ceiling and/or medicare. >> do we get a promise on the debt ce
united stat states -- spending cuts we are enacted by the house they voted for. >> the obama deficit. >> you cannot point to democrats and say you're not supporting spending cuts, rite in the president's offer. what you don't understand, i think, is that boehner won't bring this stuff to a vote because he knows the majority of house members, democrats and republicans combined actually want to support a deal as those 200 plus ceos want. what he's doing is political self-preservation,...
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spending cuts and tax hikes that will bite if lawmakers fail to come up with a plan. >> pessimism remains the prevailing mood in washington as the january deadline rapidly approaches. neither democrats nor republicans have any new proposals for a workable compromise. >> the starbucks coffee chain has urged its workers in washington, d.c., area to write "come together" on the cups, a plea for party leaders to work out a compromise, but some customers say that is not enough. >> i mean, i like with starbucks is riding on the cups. i wish they would write, like, something else, like "republicans, stop being stupid." >> i think the solution will probably be neutered and not very effective, but ultimately, i think they will avoid the fiscal cliff. >> but neither side appears willing to give in. democrats, for example, are frustrated that republicans will not agree to raise taxes on the wealthy. >> the majority of rich people in our great country are willing to pay more. the only people who disagree with that are republicans who work in this building. >> republicans say that democrats want to sp
spending cuts and tax hikes that will bite if lawmakers fail to come up with a plan. >> pessimism remains the prevailing mood in washington as the january deadline rapidly approaches. neither democrats nor republicans have any new proposals for a workable compromise. >> the starbucks coffee chain has urged its workers in washington, d.c., area to write "come together" on the cups, a plea for party leaders to work out a compromise, but some customers say that is not enough....
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obama doesn't -- obama believes in stimulating the economy through spending. he doesn't believe in making all the cuts. so again, like you are asking him to adopt a world view he doesn't have. >> bret: even though he talked about it many times. >> he does talk about it. >> expounding upon it. fixing social security and medicare. >> anybody who reads paul krugman, grand pubah of economics on the left his worry that the deficit will be reduced too fast. i'm not endorsing this from a policy perspective. i'm telling grow a political perspective this is the situation with the president. so to say he should want cuts that the republicans want is to ask him to adopt a philosophy he doesn't have. i'd say if i was a republican, i would be bothered by republican party not being more specific and holding his feet to fire on it. >> bret: the senate democratic caucus could slip a the white house is saying that the vice president heading up there the time is not firm. >> so we'll be here. >> bret: we'll be here covering it for you. >> big night. >> bret: the countdown to vi
obama doesn't -- obama believes in stimulating the economy through spending. he doesn't believe in making all the cuts. so again, like you are asking him to adopt a world view he doesn't have. >> bret: even though he talked about it many times. >> he does talk about it. >> expounding upon it. fixing social security and medicare. >> anybody who reads paul krugman, grand pubah of economics on the left his worry that the deficit will be reduced too fast. i'm not endorsing...
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moments after president obama was declared the victor, the money struggle in washington stole the spotlight as lawmakers debated over how to avert the fiscal cliff. mother nature took a toll on several parts of the country this year. superstorm sandy ripped through the northeast in late october, leaving a trail of damage along the way. the storm racked up damage of around $60 billion, making it the second most expensive storm ever for the u.s., following hurricane katrina. the storm destroyed houses and businesses on the east coast, leaving millions without power. just months earlier, crop prices shot up following a massive drought that hit the midwest and some northern states. weeks without rain sent corn and soybean prices sky-high. it was estimated that the drought was the worst in nearly a quarter of a century. 2012 was not without its controvesies. trading scandals rocked the news, highlighted by jpmorgan chase. the big bank lost more than $2 billion in what was called "a trading debacle." ceo jamie dimon took a trip to capitol hill for a testimony where he told senators that the indus
moments after president obama was declared the victor, the money struggle in washington stole the spotlight as lawmakers debated over how to avert the fiscal cliff. mother nature took a toll on several parts of the country this year. superstorm sandy ripped through the northeast in late october, leaving a trail of damage along the way. the storm racked up damage of around $60 billion, making it the second most expensive storm ever for the u.s., following hurricane katrina. the storm destroyed...
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the closed-door meeting was an attempt to avoid the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts set to king at the start of the new year. >> we had a constructive meeting today. senator reid and senator mcconnell are discussing a potential agreement where we could get a bipartisan bill out. >> reporter: at the present time reminded lawmakers thers
the closed-door meeting was an attempt to avoid the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts set to king at the start of the new year. >> we had a constructive meeting today. senator reid and senator mcconnell are discussing a potential agreement where we could get a bipartisan bill out. >> reporter: at the present time reminded lawmakers thers
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president barack obama has broken off his christmas vacation to resume talks on the so-called fiscal cliff, taxes and spending cuts unless democrats and republicans reach a deal by new year's eve. >> nearly all the major players in those negotiations are starting to agree on one thing, and that is that a deal is virtually impossible by that deadline. senior officials say there is little hope of a grand bargain to shave trillions of dollars off of america's mountain of debt. >> applause for the bell at the start of the trading day is a daily ritual at the new york stock exchange, despite the enthusiasm, traders are keeping an anxious eye on share prices. the fiscal cliff is on everyone's mind. u.s. treasury secretary timothy geithner has warned that his department will need to take extraordinary measures to postpone the upcoming government defaults. he plans adjustments to the national budget that would give the u.s. two months of grace. president barack obama has said he is still hopeful that a resolution can be reached this year. he cut short his vacation in hawaii to restart negoti
president barack obama has broken off his christmas vacation to resume talks on the so-called fiscal cliff, taxes and spending cuts unless democrats and republicans reach a deal by new year's eve. >> nearly all the major players in those negotiations are starting to agree on one thing, and that is that a deal is virtually impossible by that deadline. senior officials say there is little hope of a grand bargain to shave trillions of dollars off of america's mountain of debt. >>...
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is sliding ever closer to what has become known as the fiscal cliff with barack obama hosting another last minute emergency meeting today for weeks the republicans and democrats have been trying to reach a deal on how to reduce the national deficit if they don't billions of dollars in tax spending cuts sort of magically come into effect on january the first activist and journalist says it's not the deadlock that bothers him but rather what has already been agreed upon. the real problem in my eyes is not the fact that they can't reach an agreement but rather that they have reached an agreement on many fundamental things the grievance they have reached is that neither of them are going to advocate to put more money in the hands of working people they have no problem whatsoever removing a trillion dollars or two trillion dollars from the economy and delivering it to the bankers they did that inside of twenty days back in two thousand and eight and again in two thousand and nine was very little discussion. everyone agrees on both sides of the aisle that sums sort of reduction in benefits
is sliding ever closer to what has become known as the fiscal cliff with barack obama hosting another last minute emergency meeting today for weeks the republicans and democrats have been trying to reach a deal on how to reduce the national deficit if they don't billions of dollars in tax spending cuts sort of magically come into effect on january the first activist and journalist says it's not the deadlock that bothers him but rather what has already been agreed upon. the real problem in my...
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dramatic spending cuts will kick in. president obama and congress will be back from vacation tomorrow. but will anything get done? >>> plus, wild winter weather sweeping through the country. we'll bring you the latest details on which part of the u.s. could be hit next. cnbc's "worldwide exchange" starts now. >>> and welcome to a special edition of reside worldwide. ross andcle reoff today for boxes day in -- kelly are off today for boxing day. for now, you is us. >> we'll start with a brief check on the markets. energy and metals are trading higher now, wtis up about 55 cents. brent crude up 65 cents. also want to check in on the gold price, as well. gold right now down about slightly under the flat line there, 1,-658. well below the 1,700 mark. the cme globex has been closed for christmas. it's going to reopen at 6:00 a.m. eastern time. that goes for treasuries and the foreign exchange market, as well. >> as for action in the overseas markets, the u.k. is closed today for boxing day as are some of the former brish colo
dramatic spending cuts will kick in. president obama and congress will be back from vacation tomorrow. but will anything get done? >>> plus, wild winter weather sweeping through the country. we'll bring you the latest details on which part of the u.s. could be hit next. cnbc's "worldwide exchange" starts now. >>> and welcome to a special edition of reside worldwide. ross andcle reoff today for boxes day in -- kelly are off today for boxing day. for now, you is us....
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the other effect it has is that we're not cutting spending because we're spending too much money. and that sends a very bad signal. if we're not going to do entitlement reform, because every time we talk about it obama says let's raise taxes instead. we're dealing with tens of trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, in four years obama has done nothing on entitlement reform. nothing for four years. what has he done? chirped about raising taxes on rich people. raising taxes on rich people is what obama talks about instead of doing his job. there are two costs to this. one, if you take money out of savings and investment, which is what you're doing with this, it doesn't help, it reduces the incentives to save, invest and work and the other thing you do is you never get to reform government entitlements. >> that's not causal. >> it is, absolutely. >> that's not really. >> you live in new york i live in d.c., washington, this is all causal. the reason he's talking about tax increases is to avoid the conversation and dealing with spending restraints. that's why obama does what he
the other effect it has is that we're not cutting spending because we're spending too much money. and that sends a very bad signal. if we're not going to do entitlement reform, because every time we talk about it obama says let's raise taxes instead. we're dealing with tens of trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, in four years obama has done nothing on entitlement reform. nothing for four years. what has he done? chirped about raising taxes on rich people. raising taxes on rich people...
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because of stories like this, that can paint the picture to the voters that obama's not playing ball. >> trying to explain this to somebody from pluto. say in australia now. saying when congress wrote the cliff, defined it, spend cuts, increases on income, tax increase on state. they wrote it up as this horrible thing that nobody would want to face. either side, right? they designed it that way. now they're walking right over that cliff. over niagra falls. explain. >> it's like congress is on pluto and we're all on earth. they say they want deficit reduction. if you go over the cliff, you get deficit reduction, you just don't get it in the responsible, accountable way. it's like chopping off on arm. >> like says i want a shower, i'm going to niagra falls. >> they still can't get it done. we're dysfunctional. no other explanation. >> i think they can stop the roller coaster and make it go. they're doing a dance now because republicans don't want to do something to rates. obama wants to play hardball. but i think they'll have a different argument later in the year. >> i guess both belie
because of stories like this, that can paint the picture to the voters that obama's not playing ball. >> trying to explain this to somebody from pluto. say in australia now. saying when congress wrote the cliff, defined it, spend cuts, increases on income, tax increase on state. they wrote it up as this horrible thing that nobody would want to face. either side, right? they designed it that way. now they're walking right over that cliff. over niagra falls. explain. >> it's like...